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	<title>A SPEAKER'S CORNER Comments</title>
	<link>http://finn.blogsome.com</link>
	<description>A London blogger</description>
	<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>by: Only Me</title>
		<link>http://finn.blogsome.com/2005/07/24/jean-charles-de-menezes-27/#comment-55</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2005 01:36:40 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>What a disgustingly inhumane comment from 'The Silent Majority.'

Immigrants - whether legal or illegal - have a right to life, and the police have a responsibility to protect and observe that right.

Non-taxpayers equally have a right to life, and the police have a responsibility to protect and observe that right.

However, Mr Menezes status and tax are irrelevant.

It is the police who are under scrutiny here, not Mr Menezes. He was innocent, and the police must now be held accountable. That is how the rule of law works, and the police must submit to that law, or else they will be found to be considering themselves above the law.

As for point (3), the police did not identify themselves. Please read the official police news release on the matter. A bunch of random plain-clothed men in a busy rush-hour area of London shouted god-knows-what at someone, who clearly panicked. We, as animals, are hard-wired with the 'fight-or-flight' response to sudden and potentially dangerous stimuli from the environment. The police know this and should've acted accordingly, but they didn't.

Then, when they overpowered him, they still went ahead and killed him. It is a disgrace. An absolute disgrace.

I say it again: The police are the ones under scrutiny, held accountable, under the rule of law, for their actions. Anyone who considers themselves above, beyond, or removed from the rule of law in this country is, by definition, placing themselves on the wrong side of the law. Ask yourself why the police may not be held accountable for their own actions under the rule of law. They are in the business of upholding the rule of law, therefore they must not try to avoid its application to themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>What a disgustingly inhumane comment from &#8216;The Silent Majority.&#8217;</p>
	<p>Immigrants - whether legal or illegal - have a right to life, and the police have a responsibility to protect and observe that right.</p>
	<p>Non-taxpayers equally have a right to life, and the police have a responsibility to protect and observe that right.</p>
	<p>However, Mr Menezes status and tax are irrelevant.</p>
	<p>It is the police who are under scrutiny here, not Mr Menezes. He was innocent, and the police must now be held accountable. That is how the rule of law works, and the police must submit to that law, or else they will be found to be considering themselves above the law.</p>
	<p>As for point (3), the police did not identify themselves. Please read the official police news release on the matter. A bunch of random plain-clothed men in a busy rush-hour area of London shouted god-knows-what at someone, who clearly panicked. We, as animals, are hard-wired with the &#8216;fight-or-flight&#8217; response to sudden and potentially dangerous stimuli from the environment. The police know this and should&#8217;ve acted accordingly, but they didn&#8217;t.</p>
	<p>Then, when they overpowered him, they still went ahead and killed him. It is a disgrace. An absolute disgrace.</p>
	<p>I say it again: The police are the ones under scrutiny, held accountable, under the rule of law, for their actions. Anyone who considers themselves above, beyond, or removed from the rule of law in this country is, by definition, placing themselves on the wrong side of the law. Ask yourself why the police may not be held accountable for their own actions under the rule of law. They are in the business of upholding the rule of law, therefore they must not try to avoid its application to themselves.
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		<title>by: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://finn.blogsome.com/2005/07/24/jean-charles-de-menezes-27/#comment-54</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:47:59 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://finn.blogsome.com/2005/07/24/jean-charles-de-menezes-27/#comment-54</guid>
					<description>Do you know a Jean Charles de Menezes? I also do not know. Many people said why he ran? We can not know because he was killed. 
Even if there was a reason to avoid a police to a victim, the reason is not related to bomb. Important point is Police killed him who did not related to bomb accident.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Do you know a Jean Charles de Menezes? I also do not know. Many people said why he ran? We can not know because he was killed.<br />
Even if there was a reason to avoid a police to a victim, the reason is not related to bomb. Important point is Police killed him who did not related to bomb accident.
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		<title>by: Frustrated</title>
		<link>http://finn.blogsome.com/2005/07/24/jean-charles-de-menezes-27/#comment-53</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:10:05 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://finn.blogsome.com/2005/07/24/jean-charles-de-menezes-27/#comment-53</guid>
					<description>Hey Silent Majority you are a hypocryte!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hey Silent Majority you are a hypocryte!
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		<title>by: Pete</title>
		<link>http://finn.blogsome.com/2005/07/24/jean-charles-de-menezes-27/#comment-52</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:55:05 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://finn.blogsome.com/2005/07/24/jean-charles-de-menezes-27/#comment-52</guid>
					<description>An innocent man is executed for/by the state and his death is used
as justification to sell the guilty party's purpose. Strange perverted
logic.. christ forgive them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>An innocent man is executed for/by the state and his death is used<br />
as justification to sell the guilty party&#8217;s purpose. Strange perverted<br />
logic.. christ forgive them.
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		<title>by: just a kraut</title>
		<link>http://finn.blogsome.com/2005/07/24/jean-charles-de-menezes-27/#comment-51</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:31:46 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://finn.blogsome.com/2005/07/24/jean-charles-de-menezes-27/#comment-51</guid>
					<description>Have a look at his &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/0,1518,grossbild-497481-366729,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;parents&lt;/a&gt; ...   Doesn't make you sad? 
And I can't understand why he should not have run -- if you're late for work, you can't consider any normally dressed person as a plainclothes policeman. And being illegal is &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; an excuse for this sad murder. This just my answer to comment no. 13.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Have a look at his <a href="http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/0,1518,grossbild-497481-366729,00.html" rel="nofollow">parents</a> &#8230;   Doesn&#8217;t make you sad?<br />
And I can&#8217;t understand why he should not have run &#8212; if you&#8217;re late for work, you can&#8217;t consider any normally dressed person as a plainclothes policeman. And being illegal is <i>not</i> an excuse for this sad murder. This just my answer to comment no. 13.
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		<title>by: The Silent Majority</title>
		<link>http://finn.blogsome.com/2005/07/24/jean-charles-de-menezes-27/#comment-50</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:59:54 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://finn.blogsome.com/2005/07/24/jean-charles-de-menezes-27/#comment-50</guid>
					<description>Condolences, respect and thoughts go out to the family of Mr. de Menezes, it is tragic for anyone to die like that.

However, I really can't believe a lot of the drivel I am hearing about this case. The facts as I understand them are:

(a) The man was in the country illegally (not in itself a reason for someone to be killed but still wrong)
(b) People are saying that he maybe didn't understand English, then how    did he get the necessary qualifications to work as an electrician in this country (the exams are in only in English and Brazilian qualifications are not recognised in the UK). We have to assume that his command of English was OK to have passed the exams and become an electrician.
(3) The ran when challenged by armed police who identified themselves in English. 

It is an unfortunate accident, it shouldn't have happened, but he shouldn't have run either. If he had done as requested by the police he would probably still be alive today.

If you suspected a man was a suicide bomber, what are you supposed to do. If I was in a struggle on the floor with a man I suspected of being capable of detonating a bomb and blowing up me and other innocent people, I would shoot him in the head five times as well, wouldn't you ?

Absolutely tragic, a real shame, but he really contributed to the end result by running when told to stop. 

My feeling is that there should be a public enquiry, let's at least try to learn from this awful mistake.

One final comment, people keep saying his family should sue the Government. Lets say that the Government looses and has to pay out say £10m, who do you think pays the money ?  The Government is only spending OUR money, they don't generate any themselves. All you &quot;do-gooder let's sue&quot; type people should realise this. When the government pays for it's mistakes, it pays with OUR money. As always, the silent majority picks up the bill and not people like the unfortunate late Mr de Menezes who as an illegal immigrant wouldn't have been paying any Income Tax.

The Silent Majority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Condolences, respect and thoughts go out to the family of Mr. de Menezes, it is tragic for anyone to die like that.</p>
	<p>However, I really can&#8217;t believe a lot of the drivel I am hearing about this case. The facts as I understand them are:</p>
	<p>(a) The man was in the country illegally (not in itself a reason for someone to be killed but still wrong)<br />
(b) People are saying that he maybe didn&#8217;t understand English, then how    did he get the necessary qualifications to work as an electrician in this country (the exams are in only in English and Brazilian qualifications are not recognised in the UK). We have to assume that his command of English was OK to have passed the exams and become an electrician.<br />
(3) The ran when challenged by armed police who identified themselves in English. </p>
	<p>It is an unfortunate accident, it shouldn&#8217;t have happened, but he shouldn&#8217;t have run either. If he had done as requested by the police he would probably still be alive today.</p>
	<p>If you suspected a man was a suicide bomber, what are you supposed to do. If I was in a struggle on the floor with a man I suspected of being capable of detonating a bomb and blowing up me and other innocent people, I would shoot him in the head five times as well, wouldn&#8217;t you ?</p>
	<p>Absolutely tragic, a real shame, but he really contributed to the end result by running when told to stop. </p>
	<p>My feeling is that there should be a public enquiry, let&#8217;s at least try to learn from this awful mistake.</p>
	<p>One final comment, people keep saying his family should sue the Government. Lets say that the Government looses and has to pay out say £10m, who do you think pays the money ?  The Government is only spending OUR money, they don&#8217;t generate any themselves. All you &#8220;do-gooder let&#8217;s sue&#8221; type people should realise this. When the government pays for it&#8217;s mistakes, it pays with OUR money. As always, the silent majority picks up the bill and not people like the unfortunate late Mr de Menezes who as an illegal immigrant wouldn&#8217;t have been paying any Income Tax.</p>
	<p>The Silent Majority.
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		<title>by: Paul</title>
		<link>http://finn.blogsome.com/2005/07/26/menezes-visa-information/#comment-49</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 13:14:11 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I think London should give up the Olympic Games. Its police has shown that it is not up to the task of ensuring safe games. The myth of the effective British police was ugly destroyed. What if the situation gets worse, not better in the following years?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I think London should give up the Olympic Games. Its police has shown that it is not up to the task of ensuring safe games. The myth of the effective British police was ugly destroyed. What if the situation gets worse, not better in the following years?
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		<title>by: Vincent Cassidy</title>
		<link>http://finn.blogsome.com/2005/07/24/jean-charles-de-menezes-27/#comment-48</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 12:20:02 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://finn.blogsome.com/2005/07/24/jean-charles-de-menezes-27/#comment-48</guid>
					<description>Here in Ireland we are very shocked and depressed to hear about Jean de Menese death.What a tragic waste of a young life.
Deepest sympathy to his Parents and family.RIP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Here in Ireland we are very shocked and depressed to hear about Jean de Menese death.What a tragic waste of a young life.<br />
Deepest sympathy to his Parents and family.RIP.
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		<title>by: Geoff Dolan</title>
		<link>http://finn.blogsome.com/2005/07/24/jean-charles-de-menezes-27/#comment-47</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 12:05:03 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>My condolences go out to friend and family of this young man. The fault lies firstly with the police, but gung ho right wingers for the past four years have been sitting behind the safetyu of their desks and using the horror that was 9/11 to push their agenda down readers throats. This has undoubtly hardened people and forced both police, military and politicians to look and act tough.

In years to come, we will look at the right wing trolls that rant through our various media about 'what needs to be done.' A politician is a politician but a right wing columnist is a liar and a weasle.Right wing liarsk, your time will come, your epitaphs will be remembered as a collective curse.Your thoughts, lies and deeds will turn to cancer and rot your mortal frames.

From here in Ireland, where I live, to the US, right wing liars sip their cocktails and fawn about with each other in their bars after handuing in their lies to be published. May their cocktails turn to cyanide, and may their souls burn in hell alongside those writers and preachers that encourage young men to blow themselves up on trains. Their all as bad as each other, their grand daddy is Goebbells. Ann Coluter, Sayyid Qatb ( author of Millstones, the book that allegedly inspired Osama) dirty scum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>My condolences go out to friend and family of this young man. The fault lies firstly with the police, but gung ho right wingers for the past four years have been sitting behind the safetyu of their desks and using the horror that was 9/11 to push their agenda down readers throats. This has undoubtly hardened people and forced both police, military and politicians to look and act tough.</p>
	<p>In years to come, we will look at the right wing trolls that rant through our various media about &#8216;what needs to be done.&#8217; A politician is a politician but a right wing columnist is a liar and a weasle.Right wing liarsk, your time will come, your epitaphs will be remembered as a collective curse.Your thoughts, lies and deeds will turn to cancer and rot your mortal frames.</p>
	<p>From here in Ireland, where I live, to the US, right wing liars sip their cocktails and fawn about with each other in their bars after handuing in their lies to be published. May their cocktails turn to cyanide, and may their souls burn in hell alongside those writers and preachers that encourage young men to blow themselves up on trains. Their all as bad as each other, their grand daddy is Goebbells. Ann Coluter, Sayyid Qatb ( author of Millstones, the book that allegedly inspired Osama) dirty scum.
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		<title>by: Matt</title>
		<link>http://finn.blogsome.com/2005/07/24/jean-charles-de-menezes-27/#comment-46</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 02:26:58 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://finn.blogsome.com/2005/07/24/jean-charles-de-menezes-27/#comment-46</guid>
					<description>All I can say is that it is truly tragic, Police are just as vulnerable to mistakes as the rest of us, and this was a tragic mistake made while trying their best to protect innocent people, though no one was in danger this time... except for demenezes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>All I can say is that it is truly tragic, Police are just as vulnerable to mistakes as the rest of us, and this was a tragic mistake made while trying their best to protect innocent people, though no one was in danger this time&#8230; except for demenezes
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